ToddPollock - I saw this coin posted on Facebook. I am curious for...

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I saw this coin posted on Facebook. I am curious for people's thoughts on giving designations to non-MS coins. I think I have one AU58PL coin. NGC and ANACS seem to do these and PCGS has said theirs were mistakes. On the PL/DMPL side more seem to be tough dates while many 1880-S could be AU58PL, never seen one but seen several 1889-O. As a collector would you pick up a AU55FBL or AU55FB? Is there a line at MS for the suffix or is a FBL a FBL and a DMPL a DMPL, no matter the underlying grade?

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Winesteven

While I don’t collect Franklin business strikes, if the specific coin meets the definition of FBL or PL, I believe the coin should then be given that suffix, regardless of the grade being AU. Put another way, the numerical grade should have no bearing on the suffix. If the coin actually has full bell lines, or is actually Proof Like, then regardless of the grade that suffix should appear! With PCGS and Standing Lib Quarters, if a coin that’s lower than Mint State happens to actually have a Full Head, then that coin deservedly gets the FH suffix, which PCGS actually does. Steve

While I don’t collect Franklin business strikes, if the specific coin meets the definition of FBL or PL, I believe the coin should then be given that suffix, regardless of the grade being AU. Put another way, the numerical grade should have no bearing on the suffix. If the coin actually has full bell lines, or is actually Proof Like, then regardless of the grade that suffix should appear! With PCGS and Standing Lib Quarters, if a coin that’s lower than Mint State happens to actually have a Full Head, then that coin deservedly gets the FH suffix, which PCGS actually does. Steve
- 2024-05-01 02:24:12
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SilverAge3

I'm all for it, though i don't collect much US coinage. Plenty of gently circ coins can still have had superlative strikes, made from intact dies, and show very good lustre, and frankly have better eye appeal than technically unc pieces with mediocre, or even piss poor strike, and the unc may have very detracting bagginess. The Brit grading system views the latter types differently, hence the jokes about everything there being graded gEF. I don't know know that either system is perfect conveying an unc w/ mushy strike.
So yeah, i think an AU -- esp 58, but also lower -- may still support designations such as these, incl potentially PL.
Also, I think color designations on circ copper/bronze gets dropped, but perhaps it shouldn't, or at least in some cases the remaining red lustre should be noted somehow.

I'm all for it, though i don't collect much US coinage. Plenty of gently circ coins can still have had superlative strikes, made from intact dies, and show very good lustre, and frankly have better eye appeal than technically unc pieces with mediocre, or even piss poor strike, and the unc may have very detracting bagginess. The Brit grading system views the latter types differently, hence the jokes about everything there being graded gEF. I don't know know that either system is perfect conveying an unc w/ mushy strike. So yeah, i think an AU -- esp 58, but also lower -- may still support designations such as these, incl potentially PL. Also, I think color designations on circ copper/bronze gets dropped, but perhaps it shouldn't, or at least in some cases the remaining red lustre should be noted somehow.
- 2024-04-30 05:56:01
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amwldcoin

Don't leave the FH designation for Standing Liberty Quarters out! I see a lot of FH AU's graded.

Don't leave the FH designation for Standing Liberty Quarters out! I see a lot of FH AU's graded.
- 2024-04-29 20:46:35
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- mcpix
  
  amwldcoin In grading class, Steve Feltner told us the FH designation on SLQ's can be given to AU 50 and up. I guess that would be PCGS.
  
  [amwldcoin] In grading class, Steve Feltner told us the FH designation on SLQ's can be given to AU 50 and up. I guess that would be PCGS.
  
  2024-05-01 01:37:42
IanRussell

Interesting. PL I think PCGS/NGC do from AU-58 or AU-55 and up?

Interesting. PL I think PCGS/NGC do from AU-58 or AU-55 and up?
- 2024-04-29 16:24:28
- ToddPollock
  
  IanRussell Only if PCGS has changed over the years. At one point they only had 18 AU PL/DMPLS and they said they were all mistakes.
  
  [IanRussell] Only if PCGS has changed over the years. At one point they only had 18 AU PL/DMPLS and they said they were all mistakes.
  
  2024-04-29 18:08:13
- ToddPollock
  
  IanRussell Maybe I am looking wrong but for dollars I see PCGS has 2 58PL and one 58DMPL. They might treat gold different.
  
  [IanRussell] Maybe I am looking wrong but for dollars I see PCGS has 2 58PL and one 58DMPL. They might treat gold different.
  
  2024-04-29 18:10:51
- IanRussell
  
  ToddPollock Never seen a 58 DMPL!
  
  [ToddPollock] Never seen a 58 DMPL!
  
  2024-05-01 14:29:27
Koreo

I can see the argument going both ways. I wish we could come up with a definition that all the grading companies could agree on and make a standard.

I can see the argument going both ways. I wish we could come up with a definition that all the grading companies could agree on and make a standard.
- 2024-04-29 16:16:02
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