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- Busted through 64.....
Some people now say $100 silver.
Thoughts?Busted through 64..... Some people now say $100 silver. Thoughts?141 Comments 0 Shares 18341 ViewsCommenting is disabled.- check out cannon auction richmond va ends 1/28 lots of coinscheck out cannon auction richmond va ends 1/28 lots of coins
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- Posting this with permission of the dealer who wrote it. Some food for thought on the dealer side of buying silver.
Why we pay less than spot price (plain English)
I’ve been buying and selling precious metals since 1980, and the most important thing to understand is this:
Spot price is a paper price — not the price anyone actually gets paid for physical metal.
Here’s why.
1. Refiners are businesses, not charities
Refiners do not process silver at razor-thin margins. In normal markets, refining and handling costs for silver often work out to several percent, and in stressed or volatile markets those costs can easily rise into the high single-digit range.
If refiners didn’t charge enough to cover costs and risk, they wouldn’t exist.
2. Silver leasing and financing costs are real
Most large refiners are backed by banks. Those banks charge lease or financing fees for the silver while it’s being processed.
When markets are tight, lease rates rise sharply. Even a few dollars per ounce over several weeks adds up fast.
If refining takes:
6–10 weeks (which is common right now due to backlogs),
the financing cost alone can materially reduce what the refiner nets.
That cost comes out of the chain before anyone makes a profit.
3. Refiners have massive overhead
Refining silver isn’t melting scrap in a garage. Refiners must pay for:
Electricity (very expensive)
Water and sewer
Insurance
Payroll
Environmental compliance
Local, state, and federal taxes
Licenses and permits
All of that is built into the price they pay for metal.
4. Volume requirements and price risk
Many refiners require 1,000 ounces or more to lock in pricing.
If we buy silver but don’t yet have enough volume:
We take all the price risk
If silver drops tomorrow, we absorb the loss
The seller has already been paid
That risk has value, and it must be priced in.
5. Margins widen when markets are volatile
In calm markets, the spread between spot and physical transactions might be relatively tight.
In volatile markets — like we’re in now — spreads always widen:
Financing costs rise
Backlogs grow
Risk increases
That’s not greed — it’s survival.
Bottom line
Spot price is just a starting reference, not a payout price.
Between refining fees, financing costs, operating expenses, delays, and price risk, everyone in the chain has to make a profit — or the business simply doesn’t work.
We’re not paying under spot to take advantage of anyone.
We’re paying a realistic, sustainable price that reflects what it actually costs to turn metal into money.
That’s the honest explanation.Posting this with permission of the dealer who wrote it. Some food for thought on the dealer side of buying silver. Why we pay less than spot price (plain English) I’ve been buying and selling precious metals since 1980, and the most important thing to understand is this: Spot price is a paper price — not the price anyone actually gets paid for physical metal. Here’s why. 1. Refiners are businesses, not charities Refiners do not process silver at razor-thin margins. In normal markets, refining and handling costs for silver often work out to several percent, and in stressed or volatile markets those costs can easily rise into the high single-digit range. If refiners didn’t charge enough to cover costs and risk, they wouldn’t exist. 2. Silver leasing and financing costs are real Most large refiners are backed by banks. Those banks charge lease or financing fees for the silver while it’s being processed. When markets are tight, lease rates rise sharply. Even a few dollars per ounce over several weeks adds up fast. If refining takes: 6–10 weeks (which is common right now due to backlogs), the financing cost alone can materially reduce what the refiner nets. That cost comes out of the chain before anyone makes a profit. 3. Refiners have massive overhead Refining silver isn’t melting scrap in a garage. Refiners must pay for: Electricity (very expensive) Water and sewer Insurance Payroll Environmental compliance Local, state, and federal taxes Licenses and permits All of that is built into the price they pay for metal. 4. Volume requirements and price risk Many refiners require 1,000 ounces or more to lock in pricing. If we buy silver but don’t yet have enough volume: We take all the price risk If silver drops tomorrow, we absorb the loss The seller has already been paid That risk has value, and it must be priced in. 5. Margins widen when markets are volatile In calm markets, the spread between spot and physical transactions might be relatively tight. In volatile markets — like we’re in now — spreads always widen: Financing costs rise Backlogs grow Risk increases That’s not greed — it’s survival. Bottom line Spot price is just a starting reference, not a payout price. Between refining fees, financing costs, operating expenses, delays, and price risk, everyone in the chain has to make a profit — or the business simply doesn’t work. We’re not paying under spot to take advantage of anyone. We’re paying a realistic, sustainable price that reflects what it actually costs to turn metal into money. That’s the honest explanation.-
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- ToddPollock Great post[ToddPollock] Great post
- ToddPollock Excellent background and insight.[ToddPollock] Excellent background and insight.
- ToddPollock Business is always more complicated then we know.[ToddPollock] Business is always more complicated then we know.
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- I was watching silver stackers last night on you tube, coin store was saying the smelters wont buy any 90% right now and they are not paying for bullion that they do buy, for sometimes months. Coin shops are being put in a cash flow vice. As customers we don't always see the whole picture that businesses face. Also Washington just passed a 10% sales tax on silver and gold. Customers are going out of state to buy to save 10%. Store will close. Most politicians are ignorant of what it takes to run a business.I was watching silver stackers last night on you tube, coin store was saying the smelters wont buy any 90% right now and they are not paying for bullion that they do buy, for sometimes months. Coin shops are being put in a cash flow vice. As customers we don't always see the whole picture that businesses face. Also Washington just passed a 10% sales tax on silver and gold. Customers are going out of state to buy to save 10%. Store will close. Most politicians are ignorant of what it takes to run a business.
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View previous replies- Coinaddict the crazy part to the whole thing is that there is a “silver shortage” so why are the refiners unwilling to purchase? On top of that my LCS had very minimal inventory. People were walking in and buying silver, myself included. Just a very odd time in the metals. I converted a bunch of silver to gold at my last coin show and the dealer was glad to do it. Unfortunately I’m in Maryland and they tax PM’s at 6% unless it’s over a certain amount.[Coinaddict] the crazy part to the whole thing is that there is a “silver shortage” so why are the refiners unwilling to purchase? On top of that my LCS had very minimal inventory. People were walking in and buying silver, myself included. Just a very odd time in the metals. I converted a bunch of silver to gold at my last coin show and the dealer was glad to do it. Unfortunately I’m in Maryland and they tax PM’s at 6% unless it’s over a certain amount.
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- BmoreCoins Refiners are so far behind and cant get enough chemicals for their needs. So they are starting to stick to .999 products, sterling at 90% are being turned away.[BmoreCoins] Refiners are so far behind and cant get enough chemicals for their needs. So they are starting to stick to .999 products, sterling at 90% are being turned away.
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- ToddPollock I thought it was smelted at the refinery. Learn something new everyday. Apparently the acid method is preferred.[ToddPollock] I thought it was smelted at the refinery. Learn something new everyday. Apparently the acid method is preferred.
- ToddPollock I know. Not do sure that in a crisis 90% will be sellable, without a lot of extra work.[ToddPollock] I know. Not do sure that in a crisis 90% will be sellable, without a lot of extra work.
- ToddPollock I'm honestly thrilled they're declining 90%. The thought of so much being melted never sits right with me as someone who enjoys hunting for varieties.[ToddPollock] I'm honestly thrilled they're declining 90%. The thought of so much being melted never sits right with me as someone who enjoys hunting for varieties.
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- Not sure what silver will do…but when I went to sell some Morgan and peace dollars to my LCS they said that they would only pay $35 a piece for them. At the time they melted for $70. Need less to say I walked out the door with them.Not sure what silver will do…but when I went to sell some Morgan and peace dollars to my LCS they said that they would only pay $35 a piece for them. At the time they melted for $70. Need less to say I walked out the door with them.
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- BmoreCoins Never buy or sell anything from thay LCS.[BmoreCoins] Never buy or sell anything from thay LCS.
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- Indigone_Demon the worst part is I sold them some buffalo nickels that I couldn’t sell on eBay and I was looking to get like $400+ and they offered me $550 which I thought was a fair offer. I think it has a lot to do with trying to protect themselves in this market. I normally never go to coin shops and do most my transactions peer to peer or at the local shows. BTW I like your YT channel🏻[Indigone_Demon] the worst part is I sold them some buffalo nickels that I couldn’t sell on eBay and I was looking to get like $400+ and they offered me $550 which I thought was a fair offer. I think it has a lot to do with trying to protect themselves in this market. I normally never go to coin shops and do most my transactions peer to peer or at the local shows. BTW I like your YT channel👍🏻
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- BmoreCoins Thanks! I get protecting yourself but half of melt is just an insult. I wouldn't buy at all before I'd low ball them like that.[BmoreCoins] Thanks! I get protecting yourself but half of melt is just an insult. I wouldn't buy at all before I'd low ball them like that.
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- France has issued new gold and silver proof coins commemorating the anniversary of exceptional supersonic aviation, celebrating milestones in high-speed flight with detailed designs and premium finishes. The releases honor both historic achievements and modern aeronautical innovation with striking numismatic presentation.
#WorldCoins #FranceCoins #AviationHistory #Numismatics #CoinCollectingFrance has issued new gold and silver proof coins commemorating the anniversary of exceptional supersonic aviation, celebrating milestones in high-speed flight with detailed designs and premium finishes. The releases honor both historic achievements and modern aeronautical innovation with striking numismatic presentation. #WorldCoins #FranceCoins #AviationHistory #Numismatics #CoinCollectingWWW.GREYSHEET.COMFrance. New Gold and Silver Proof Coins Mark Exceptional Supersonic Aviation......The Monnaie de Paris release new gold and silver coins featuring the wonder and ingenuity of Concorde.0 Comments 0 Shares 54 Views - I've just acquired this 1899 Liberty Gold Quarter Eagle PCGS Proof-68+ DCAM (CAC Green).0 Comments 0 Shares 36 Views
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- 11 SHOWS THIS WEEK FOR ANACS ON THE ROAD. We're taking submissions and answering questions in Clearwater, FL, Perry, GA, Fargo, ND, Linwood, NJ, San Diego, CA, Mesa, AZ, Augusta, ME, Palm Beach, FL, Cincinnati, OH, Batavia, NY, and in Peotone, IL. Details and our full show schedule at www.anacs.com.11 SHOWS THIS WEEK FOR ANACS ON THE ROAD. We're taking submissions and answering questions in Clearwater, FL, Perry, GA, Fargo, ND, Linwood, NJ, San Diego, CA, Mesa, AZ, Augusta, ME, Palm Beach, FL, Cincinnati, OH, Batavia, NY, and in Peotone, IL. Details and our full show schedule at www.anacs.com.0 Comments 0 Shares 23 Views
- I've just acquired this 2016 $1 Silver Eagle First Strike 30th Anniversary PCGS MS-70.I've just acquired this [coin:0b5c7462-f7e6-11f0-a77c-0660ea78a99b].0 Comments 0 Shares 14 Views
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