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- Okay this one is not a true "Conder" token but for me the Gibraltar tokens still have the spirit of the Conder tokens. I bought this one back in the 1990's for £1
1818 Gibraltar 2 Quartos (2 Quarts) Token, issued by James Spittles and struck in copper.Okay this one is not a true "Conder" token but for me the Gibraltar tokens still have the spirit of the Conder tokens. I bought this one back in the 1990's for £1 1818 Gibraltar 2 Quartos (2 Quarts) Token, issued by James Spittles and struck in copper.0 Comments 0 Shares 51 Views - One of my favorite books of all time, and the one that really got my interest moved to collecting Conder tokens. "Coinage and Currency in Eighteenth-Century Britain: The Provincial Coinage" by David Dykes and published by Spinks. A large, well illustrated and written book on the economic tokens which fulfilled the need for small coinage in the 1790's in Great Britain.
This book is normally found priced in the $80.00 range, this particular copy is being offered for sale by Charles Davis, one of the best numismatic dealers around, honest and knowledgeable.
I get nothing from sharing this on my behalf other than hoping someone here will grab a deal if they don't already own a copy for themselves.One of my favorite books of all time, and the one that really got my interest moved to collecting Conder tokens. "Coinage and Currency in Eighteenth-Century Britain: The Provincial Coinage" by David Dykes and published by Spinks. A large, well illustrated and written book on the economic tokens which fulfilled the need for small coinage in the 1790's in Great Britain. This book is normally found priced in the $80.00 range, this particular copy is being offered for sale by Charles Davis, one of the best numismatic dealers around, honest and knowledgeable. I get nothing from sharing this on my behalf other than hoping someone here will grab a deal if they don't already own a copy for themselves.4 Comments 0 Shares 389 ViewsCommenting is disabled.- I am currently unable to bid on it, tho wish i could. Very up my alley.I am currently unable to bid on it, tho wish i could. Very up my alley.
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- SilverAge3 It's really a wonderful book. Besides the Dalton & Hamer bible, there is one other book I think is also tops and I can't do without it, Jon Lusk's "British/Irish Tradesman Copper 1857-1804 Tokens" another stellar Conder token book, I also use the older R.C. Bell books, but Jon's book is so much more updated. Expensive also but well worth it, as it has mintage, designer and die sinker information, along with updated rarity and population estimates.
Consider adding both down the road.[SilverAge3] It's really a wonderful book. Besides the Dalton & Hamer bible, there is one other book I think is also tops and I can't do without it, Jon Lusk's "British/Irish Tradesman Copper 1857-1804 Tokens" another stellar Conder token book, I also use the older R.C. Bell books, but Jon's book is so much more updated. Expensive also but well worth it, as it has mintage, designer and die sinker information, along with updated rarity and population estimates. Consider adding both down the road.- 2024-03-14 00:17:06
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- westcoin are there any price guides or lists of the most rare / sought after?[westcoin] are there any price guides or lists of the most rare / sought after?
- 2024-04-06 03:06:57
- FriendlyEagle7 All the price guides I'm aware of are old, except the Token Book 17th, 18th & 19th Century Tokens and their values by Paul & Bente R. Withers - Galata. A reprint of the guide to the British token series. 500+ pages. Includes color photographs of many of the token dies with a general price guide. Hard to find in the USA, all the dealers I'm aware of, that carry it, are currently sold out.
Here is a link to the author's page in the UK:
https://www.galata.co.uk/galata-publications-1/the-token-book-17th-18th-19th-century-british-tokens-and-their-values
I've found an easy way to make payments in the UK with WISE, I keep some money in GBP account for purchasing books and tokens/coins in the UK and save a lot on fees over my bank or Paypal. Trouble is shipping is no longer inexpensive due to weight and size. I just sent a single token valued at 100 GPB from the USA to the UK and even using my discounted shipping plans, that envelope cost almost $30 USD! A few years ago it would have cost under $10.
The last book I purchased from the UK was with Douglas Saville - an auction catalog and it was $50 in shipping costs and almost $80 due to the conversion rates, basically double the price.[FriendlyEagle7] All the price guides I'm aware of are old, except the Token Book 17th, 18th & 19th Century Tokens and their values by Paul & Bente R. Withers - Galata. A reprint of the guide to the British token series. 500+ pages. Includes color photographs of many of the token dies with a general price guide. Hard to find in the USA, all the dealers I'm aware of, that carry it, are currently sold out. Here is a link to the author's page in the UK: https://www.galata.co.uk/galata-publications-1/the-token-book-17th-18th-19th-century-british-tokens-and-their-values I've found an easy way to make payments in the UK with WISE, I keep some money in GBP account for purchasing books and tokens/coins in the UK and save a lot on fees over my bank or Paypal. Trouble is shipping is no longer inexpensive due to weight and size. I just sent a single token valued at 100 GPB from the USA to the UK and even using my discounted shipping plans, that envelope cost almost $30 USD! A few years ago it would have cost under $10. The last book I purchased from the UK was with Douglas Saville - an auction catalog and it was $50 in shipping costs and almost $80 due to the conversion rates, basically double the price.- 2024-04-06 07:38:53
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- DH#63 York, Clifford's Tower 1795 Halfpenny Conder Token
Struck on a copper planchet with a small clip.DH#63 York, Clifford's Tower 1795 Halfpenny Conder Token Struck on a copper planchet with a small clip.1 Comments 0 Shares 370 ViewsCommenting is disabled. - Another one of my favorite tokens. Dalton & Hamer Gloucestershire 5
Has a wonderful strike, a small obverse flaw at 10:00, and some tics in the field, are all that are holding this one back from a gem status. Beautiful light rose and steel toning. Picked this up last spring off eBay.Another one of my favorite tokens. Dalton & Hamer Gloucestershire 5 Has a wonderful strike, a small obverse flaw at 10:00, and some tics in the field, are all that are holding this one back from a gem status. Beautiful light rose and steel toning. Picked this up last spring off eBay.
2 Comments 0 Shares 396 Views - Is anyone familiar with this token? I'm interested in tracking one down, tentatively, but price would largely dictate that. I was previously unaware of its existence, but it being SOHO Mint, and a possible first Conder, my interest in piqued. I couldn't find any for sale, so not even sure what ballpark a piece like this will cost in any condition. Didn't look like any claimed owners among numista users, for what ever that's worth.
"Possibly the first coin minted at the Soho mint, Birmingham. Copper, 34mm, 16g. Arms of the Earls of Peterborough with supporters. HALSALL / D (penny). Engrailed edge (Lancashire D&H 1). The first Conder Token, minted to pay the workers at Colonel Mordaunt’s cotton mill in Lancashire. It spawned hundreds of similar tokens that took over Britain’s coinage in the 1790s." (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-problem-of-small-change-was-george-iii-responsible.394052/)Is anyone familiar with this token? I'm interested in tracking one down, tentatively, but price would largely dictate that. I was previously unaware of its existence, but it being SOHO Mint, and a possible first Conder, my interest in piqued. I couldn't find any for sale, so not even sure what ballpark a piece like this will cost in any condition. Didn't look like any claimed owners among numista users, for what ever that's worth. "Possibly the first coin minted at the Soho mint, Birmingham. Copper, 34mm, 16g. Arms of the Earls of Peterborough with supporters. HALSALL / D (penny). Engrailed edge (Lancashire D&H 1). The first Conder Token, minted to pay the workers at Colonel Mordaunt’s cotton mill in Lancashire. It spawned hundreds of similar tokens that took over Britain’s coinage in the 1790s." (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-problem-of-small-change-was-george-iii-responsible.394052/)
7 Comments 0 Shares 632 ViewsCommenting is disabled.- Page 63 in the original Dalton & Hamer book:
Dr. Gary Sriro lists 47 sold, with the last being in 2015, so definitely not a real active trading Conder. His database of images is a great resource, I use it a lot. However, he is only one guy and can't see everything, I tend to take the population of sales numbers with a grain of salt and not as stone fact. I'd say this is probably a good indication it is a rarer token in the marketplace. He even states that the populations are a "best guess" scenario and we collectors should all use good judgement when researching sales or rarities.Page 63 in the original Dalton & Hamer book: Dr. Gary Sriro lists 47 sold, with the last being in 2015, so definitely not a real active trading Conder. His database of images is a great resource, I use it a lot. However, he is only one guy and can't see everything, I tend to take the population of sales numbers with a grain of salt and not as stone fact. I'd say this is probably a good indication it is a rarer token in the marketplace. He even states that the populations are a "best guess" scenario and we collectors should all use good judgement when researching sales or rarities.
- 2024-01-09 05:26:33
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View previous replies- westcoin thank you for this info[westcoin] thank you for this info
- 2024-01-09 09:28:07
- westcoin is the database online? If so, do you have a link?[westcoin] is the database online? If so, do you have a link?
- 2024-01-09 10:51:28
- SilverAge3 Nope, no link. Dr. Sriro keeps it on DVD and sells them, asking for those that purchase it to keep it safe from copying. I encourage that as well (being a professional photographer for years and having my images stolen often to make money by others), he has over 17,500 hours and 24 years in scanning and compiling all the data. PM me if you would like his contact info. The cost is very reasonable, IMO.[SilverAge3] Nope, no link. Dr. Sriro keeps it on DVD and sells them, asking for those that purchase it to keep it safe from copying. I encourage that as well (being a professional photographer for years and having my images stolen often to make money by others), he has over 17,500 hours and 24 years in scanning and compiling all the data. PM me if you would like his contact info. The cost is very reasonable, IMO.
- 2024-01-10 05:36:52
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- westcoin unfortunately the DVD probably wouldn't be really useful to me currently, but i did find his site, i see he publishes a journal 2x a year.[westcoin] unfortunately the DVD probably wouldn't be really useful to me currently, but i did find his site, i see he publishes a journal 2x a year.
- 2024-01-10 06:17:11
- SilverAge3 The journal is likely the Conder Token Collectors Club Journal.
I had my first article published in the latest issue, a rewrite of the Spingarn Bell Concordance. The club has a low cost ($10.00 online only) membership and gives you access to all the back issues.
https://ctcc.info/
[SilverAge3] The journal is likely the Conder Token Collectors Club Journal. I had my first article published in the latest issue, a rewrite of the Spingarn Bell Concordance. The club has a low cost ($10.00 online only) membership and gives you access to all the back issues. https://ctcc.info/- 2024-02-11 05:12:52
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- Here is a new raw Conder I picked up for my Kempson Coventry Gates & Buildings set. DH-299 Free School (new front) this one has the rare "Mr. B" counterstamp on the reverse just above the leopard. Anyone that can tell me more about the "B" stamp, I'd love to know more. I've seen a few others with the tiny B stamped on them, likely an old collector that was making a permanent ID on his collection.Here is a new raw Conder I picked up for my Kempson Coventry Gates & Buildings set. DH-299 Free School (new front) this one has the rare "Mr. B" counterstamp on the reverse just above the leopard. Anyone that can tell me more about the "B" stamp, I'd love to know more. I've seen a few others with the tiny B stamped on them, likely an old collector that was making a permanent ID on his collection.
0 Comments 0 Shares 515 Views - Okay this is really an advertising Jetton not a Conder Token but I hope you'll forgive me.
Issued by A. Fattorini of Harrogate, North Yorkshire around 1820/30'sOkay this is really an advertising Jetton not a Conder Token but I hope you'll forgive me. Issued by A. Fattorini of Harrogate, North Yorkshire around 1820/30's0 Comments 0 Shares 390 Views - Good new for myself and “Conder” collectors as a whole. The NGC judges determined my custom collection Scotland “Conder” Tokens registry set as the best Tokens and Medals set for 2023. I could not be successful without the support of our collecting community. So thank you!Good new for myself and “Conder” collectors as a whole. The NGC judges determined my custom collection Scotland “Conder” Tokens registry set as the best Tokens and Medals set for 2023. I could not be successful without the support of our collecting community. So thank you!
4 Comments 0 Shares 620 ViewsCommenting is disabled.- I saw that last night while waiting on the "Last Druid" auction sale II to finish up. I was cruising the various registry sets for images of items I had not seen yet, after my watched items ended. (I won everyone I bid on so yay except for my bank account).
A huge congrats to you, it's a really nice set - very impressive!!!I saw that last night while waiting on the "Last Druid" auction sale II to finish up. I was cruising the various registry sets for images of items I had not seen yet, after my watched items ended. (I won everyone I bid on so yay except for my bank account). A huge congrats to you, it's a really nice set - very impressive!!!- 2024-01-09 05:37:23
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- westcoin Thanks. I too acquired 2 new to me and 1 upgrade from the “Last Druid” auction II. Without our community of collectors, dealers and merchants I know I could not have achieved such a nice collection. Thanks to everyone.[westcoin] Thanks. I too acquired 2 new to me and 1 upgrade from the “Last Druid” auction II. Without our community of collectors, dealers and merchants I know I could not have achieved such a nice collection. Thanks to everyone.
- 2024-01-09 14:35:29
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- Congrats!!Congrats!!
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- ToddPollock Thanks![ToddPollock] Thanks!
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- This token was purchased for a couple of reasons, besides the fact it's so nice looking, it is of the church my B-I-L's late father was the rector of, I saw my sister get married here. This example is from the collection of Cokayne and was originally purchased by him in November 1895 in a group of 28 similar tokens for 45 shillings. I do have the ticket that accompanies the token but it's not photographed. Over all one of my favorite recent acquisitions.This token was purchased for a couple of reasons, besides the fact it's so nice looking, it is of the church my B-I-L's late father was the rector of, I saw my sister get married here. This example is from the collection of Cokayne and was originally purchased by him in November 1895 in a group of 28 similar tokens for 45 shillings. I do have the ticket that accompanies the token but it's not photographed. Over all one of my favorite recent acquisitions.
0 Comments 0 Shares 712 Views - 1791 Hull Halfpenny Conder Token, DH#20 Johnathan Garton issue.
One I bought many years ago from a local auction house (the 1990's don't seem like 30 years ago)1791 Hull Halfpenny Conder Token, DH#20 Johnathan Garton issue. One I bought many years ago from a local auction house (the 1990's don't seem like 30 years ago)0 Comments 0 Shares 355 Views - Anyone here get a chance to participate or at least watch the Baldwin's Deane III sale today at the Strand?
Prices were strong, IMO the items were not as nice as the first two sales, both from my own observations looking online and through the print catalog. One online buyer (#1061) took almost half of the lots, that was crazy, I bought an impulse lot, and will share when it arrives, it's another cool one I think. Some very strong prices hammered down on the Pidcock halfpennies and farthings, I'd love to add them to my collection but not at 4 times or more of the book estimates.
From my friends that attended the auction in person, I heard many of the tokens were wiped, cleaned, mishandled or just not as nice as this round compared to Deane I and II sales. After some consults on a few pieces I decided to pass on most of the lots I was watching. However, I'm sure over the next month or so we will start to see some of these winning lots show up in posts online. Still wonder who bidder #1061 was, a dealer or collector? Either way they sure came to this sale with a big wallet and deep pockets.Anyone here get a chance to participate or at least watch the Baldwin's Deane III sale today at the Strand? Prices were strong, IMO the items were not as nice as the first two sales, both from my own observations looking online and through the print catalog. One online buyer (#1061) took almost half of the lots, that was crazy, I bought an impulse lot, and will share when it arrives, it's another cool one I think. Some very strong prices hammered down on the Pidcock halfpennies and farthings, I'd love to add them to my collection but not at 4 times or more of the book estimates. From my friends that attended the auction in person, I heard many of the tokens were wiped, cleaned, mishandled or just not as nice as this round compared to Deane I and II sales. After some consults on a few pieces I decided to pass on most of the lots I was watching. However, I'm sure over the next month or so we will start to see some of these winning lots show up in posts online. Still wonder who bidder #1061 was, a dealer or collector? Either way they sure came to this sale with a big wallet and deep pockets.3 Comments 0 Shares 960 ViewsCommenting is disabled.- This was definitely a sale where in-person viewing was needed! Some were much nicer than the pics or descriptions, some had marks or problems not mentioned. The vast majority of tokens have been lightly wiped at some point in time - collectors 100 and 200 years ago were not as careful as we (hopefully) are today! - and it's only a problem when it is really obvious, which happens more on prooflike tokens.This was definitely a sale where in-person viewing was needed! Some were much nicer than the pics or descriptions, some had marks or problems not mentioned. The vast majority of tokens have been lightly wiped at some point in time - collectors 100 and 200 years ago were not as careful as we (hopefully) are today! - and it's only a problem when it is really obvious, which happens more on prooflike tokens.
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- Numisma interesting, sad Baldwin's isn't noting mark, wipes, or other problems.[Numisma] interesting, sad Baldwin's isn't noting mark, wipes, or other problems.
- 2023-11-20 20:58:52
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- Might be a both -- a dealer/collector, people like the guy who runs The Coinery in the UK. Some dealers have enormous personal collections. The Coinery has NGC sets, and even his 4th or 5th copies sets will beat my single one lol, and i hear he has amassed like 26 copies of certain penny keydates, and things like that. There's only so much you can hope to win when deep pockets hit an auction and are willing to 20x or more the high estimates, and repeat that for lot after lot.Might be a both -- a dealer/collector, people like the guy who runs The Coinery in the UK. Some dealers have enormous personal collections. The Coinery has NGC sets, and even his 4th or 5th copies sets will beat my single one lol, and i hear he has amassed like 26 copies of certain penny keydates, and things like that. There's only so much you can hope to win when deep pockets hit an auction and are willing to 20x or more the high estimates, and repeat that for lot after lot.
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- One of my Lackington tokens from the Deane III sale - the only brass one of this type I have ever seen! Earlier, of course, from the Cokayne collection.One of my Lackington tokens from the Deane III sale - the only brass one of this type I have ever seen! Earlier, of course, from the Cokayne collection.
0 Comments 0 Shares 402 Views - As promised here is my one and only purchase from the Deane III sale, a neat error strike Middlesex DH-356 James Lackington Bookseller Halfpenny.
Here is the Baldwin's Lot Description for this one of two coins:
London – Finsbury Sq., James Lackington & James Allen Halfpenny undated, Bust of Lackington right, rev. Fame standing blowing trumpet, edge PAYABLE IN LONDON OR DUBLIN, an error strike, 29mm/9.71gm. (DH 356). Extremely Fine and toned, almost bronzed, scarce. ex F S Cokayne Col., his tickets, Error strike bought 12 May 1900 for 6/-. Acquired AHB c 1946.As promised here is my one and only purchase from the Deane III sale, a neat error strike Middlesex DH-356 James Lackington Bookseller Halfpenny. Here is the Baldwin's Lot Description for this one of two coins: London – Finsbury Sq., James Lackington & James Allen Halfpenny undated, Bust of Lackington right, rev. Fame standing blowing trumpet, edge PAYABLE IN LONDON OR DUBLIN, an error strike, 29mm/9.71gm. (DH 356). Extremely Fine and toned, almost bronzed, scarce. ex F S Cokayne Col., his tickets, Error strike bought 12 May 1900 for 6/-. Acquired AHB c 1946.
1 Comments 0 Shares 758 ViewsCommenting is disabled. - A pair of halfpennies I just received from a Stack's/Bowers Auction. Cool grasshopper and another one for the Coventry, Kempson's Gates and Buildings set.A pair of halfpennies I just received from a Stack's/Bowers Auction. Cool grasshopper and another one for the Coventry, Kempson's Gates and Buildings set.0 Comments 0 Shares 710 Views
- 1796 Montrose (Scotland) Halfpenny Conder Token DH#281796 Montrose (Scotland) Halfpenny Conder Token DH#280 Comments 0 Shares 356 Views
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