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From the PCGS guarantee: “Some patterns have minor (and sometimes major) differences in metallic content. In some cases it is impossible to tell the specific metallic content without laboratory testing. PCGS grades these coins according to appearance and the previous status in the numismatic market, i.e. auction appearances, trading, etc. We do not guarantee the metallic content of U.S. pattern coinage.” So be careful, folks.

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Any suggestions for the MC Registry? I’ll start with a couple. First, I think every coin should count. Which means, for example , that you’ll need a 1913 Nickel to complete a Liberty Nickel set. It may not seem like a meaningful problem for that particular set, but there are plenty of other sets, especially in world coins, where PCGS and NGC treat halfway affordable rarities as “non-competitive” issues. It’s BS. Better to stick with one simple rule for everything.

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retirednow

I agree. A case In point, I picked up the Harry Bass J1618 silver Speciment at the Jan 2023 Auction ... However Harry had it labelled and it was on the Bass Foundation website as J1617 (Goloid) for the prior 20 years. Overnight it became silver., I had pop a note to PCGS but never heard back if they had tested it. To me it does appear silver. I feel the same is true of many of those Bronze / copper 5C patterns where Pollock did not not even assign a unique reference # as they are not disguinishable without a test.

I agree. A case In point, I picked up the Harry Bass J1618 silver Speciment at the Jan 2023 Auction ... However Harry had it labelled and it was on the Bass Foundation website as J1617 (Goloid) for the prior 20 years. Overnight it became silver., I had pop a note to PCGS but never heard back if they had tested it. To me it does appear silver. I feel the same is true of many of those Bronze / copper 5C patterns where Pollock did not not even assign a unique reference # as they are not disguinishable without a test.
- ToddPollock
  
  retirednow Man that Pollock guy....
  
  [retirednow] Man that Pollock guy....
  
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retirednow

Good point. I wonder why PCGS does not offer as a standard option to have a metallurgical test to confirm contents on certain pieces ...especially important on patterns. A case in point is the J-1618 (Goloid $) that I picked up at the Bass Sale ... this piece was listed by Bass and was in the ANA exhibit for 20 Years as J-1617. Presto it is now graded and listed by PCGS as a Silver piece vs the J-1617 Goloid mixture.

It does look silver but still wonder! So many pieces out there like the 1C eagles, (J167 – 171), the postage 10C pieces (J325-330), and many others that are just based on the eye. At least Pollock did not assign unique numbers to some as he noted could not be distinguished.

Good point. I wonder why PCGS does not offer as a standard option to have a metallurgical test to confirm contents on certain pieces ...especially important on patterns. A case in point is the J-1618 (Goloid $) that I picked up at the Bass Sale ... this piece was listed by Bass and was in the ANA exhibit for 20 Years as J-1617. Presto it is now graded and listed by PCGS as a Silver piece vs the J-1617 Goloid mixture. It does look silver but still wonder! So many pieces out there like the 1C eagles, (J167 – 171), the postage 10C pieces (J325-330), and many others that are just based on the eye. At least Pollock did not assign unique numbers to some as he noted could not be distinguished.
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retirednow

Interesting that Heritage has a refresh listing in their future upcoming auction previews and there appears to be someone liquidating their "GOD OUR TRUST" Eagles in copper and gilt. Gee ... I was happy to just plug the last hole in my sample set with a Bass Gilt piece and bingo now there is an entire grouping in one auction popping up. Being a someone interested in patterns, it can be with feast or famine when it comes to collecting

Interesting that Heritage has a refresh listing in their future upcoming auction previews and there appears to be someone liquidating their "GOD OUR TRUST" Eagles in copper and gilt. Gee ... I was happy to just plug the last hole in my sample set with a Bass Gilt piece and bingo now there is an entire grouping in one auction popping up. Being a someone interested in patterns, it can be with feast or famine when it comes to collecting
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- TheCoinHound
  
  And at this point the Cape Coral collection of patterns being sold at FUN is practically just around the corner. Another reminder that even when it seems like there's almost nothing to buy, there will always be more coins!
  
  And at this point the Cape Coral collection of patterns being sold at FUN is practically just around the corner. Another reminder that even when it seems like there's almost nothing to buy, there will always be more coins!
Coinbert

Just joined the group. Would like to purchase a J48 copper Restrike quarter or talk with anyone who owns one. Would like to do more research on these interesting coins. I own the Proof 66 Red Brown and CoinHound knows me.

Just joined the group. Would like to purchase a J48 copper Restrike quarter or talk with anyone who owns one. Would like to do more research on these interesting coins. I own the Proof 66 Red Brown and CoinHound knows me.
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retirednow

I speculate patterns go in cycles .... there are those large holdings (like William Rau, Newman, E. Horatio Morgan. Simpson; now Bass) and then are those smaller registry sets where collectors held a smaller groupings and more specialized ( like 5 C Patterns). Interesting to me is that it appears to be a cycle after those larger sales when the pieces reenter the market within 1 - 2 years (for what ever reason a short cycle). I have found these to be more of a buying opportunity as I have usually pick up pieces that I liked at a discount to the prior auction prices.

I speculate patterns go in cycles .... there are those large holdings (like William Rau, Newman, E. Horatio Morgan. Simpson; now Bass) and then are those smaller registry sets where collectors held a smaller groupings and more specialized ( like 5 C Patterns). Interesting to me is that it appears to be a cycle after those larger sales when the pieces reenter the market within 1 - 2 years (for what ever reason a short cycle). I have found these to be more of a buying opportunity as I have usually pick up pieces that I liked at a discount to the prior auction prices.
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- TheCoinHound
  
  I would think that most of those retreads come mostly from dealers (who tried and failed to sell the coins in the interim) and from pattern newbies (who got sucked in by a big name auction, and later thought better of it). But on the flip side, big auctions of patterns also create new collectors who actually do stick with it and become avid pattern collectors.
  
  I would think that most of those retreads come mostly from dealers (who tried and failed to sell the coins in the interim) and from pattern newbies (who got sucked in by a big name auction, and later thought better of it). But on the flip side, big auctions of patterns also create new collectors who actually do stick with it and become avid pattern collectors.
P0CKETCHANGE

Thanks, hadn’t seen the Stacks lots. What do you make of the low supply?

Thanks, hadn’t seen the Stacks lots. What do you make of the low supply?
- TheCoinHound
  
  I’m not sure. It’s not just patterns that are in short supply.
  
  I’m not sure. It’s not just patterns that are in short supply.
  
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retirednow

Saul Teichman does a great job of tracking these rare & key pieces along with their pedigrees. USpatterns.com has been my go to site for years. https://uspatterns.store.turbify.net/index.html

Saul Teichman does a great job of tracking these rare & key pieces along with their pedigrees. USpatterns.com has been my go to site for years. https://uspatterns.store.turbify.net/index.html
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TheCoinHound

To see pics of all (or virtually all) examples of the copper Schoolgirl, check this out: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/620830

To see pics of all (or virtually all) examples of the copper Schoolgirl, check this out: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/620830
saulty

A pristine example of the schoolgirl dollar in copper

A pristine example of the schoolgirl dollar in copper

IanRussell

Thanks TheCoinHound - we're definitely going to be taking feedback from experts into account - and will be posting in the official Set group for opinions as well. In fact, even over the past two weeks, I've been asking collectors about certain coins for their opinions. We want to do this right.

Thanks [TheCoinHound] - we're definitely going to be taking feedback from experts into account - and will be posting in the official Set group for opinions as well. In fact, even over the past two weeks, I've been asking collectors about certain coins for their opinions. We want to do this right.
ToddPollock

IanRussell

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TheCoinHound

Second, there are many sets that will require outside expertise to get them defined and up and running. (For example, consider varieties and world coins.) How about appointing outside admins with the expertise and authority to define and manage certain sets?

Second, there are many sets that will require outside expertise to get them defined and up and running. (For example, consider varieties and world coins.) How about appointing outside admins with the expertise and authority to define and manage certain sets?
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